Pondering the consequence of meaning

[leehack]

Gabe the previous 5 versions of yourself did not react like this .....very interesting..... are we seeing evolution before our very eyes?

Nah, you just need to smoke less joints.

[TraceyHand]

Nah, you just need to smoke less joints.

shouldn't that be "fewer joints"?

[leehack]

P-off Jont.

[gabrielcrowe]

more thoughts on this:

It came to me that sicne we assume the universe is infinite, it might be fair to say that this simulation is actually fractally generating content for us to investigate. As the reach of out inquisition expands, so does the simulation, adding in content for us to see.

What we observe is given to us by the rules of the simulation. seeing something or discovering something are only items allowed inside the confines of this construct.

The act of a physical universe is merely our perception of the universe. The ruleset nature of physics can be simulated. All things that we have in our universe can be simulated in some way or another. even if at this moment, we cannot simulate them to a level of tricking the eye. We can still generate content.

I game called 'spore' is being worked on now. its from the same people that brought us sim-city. Maxis. Here is a long video of it in action.

This game generates and entire universe, for the user to investigate thousnds of GALAXIES, to explore. Each galaxy is generated in real time for the user, and you can zoom into each planet, at the _microscopic_ level.

you can take a microbe from one planet, and transplant it to another planet.

as you zoom out of your universe, the game generates content, ad-infinitum. its cartoony, and some of the wierd aliens that evolve are odd, to say the least, but this is a model of our universe. albeit a simplified one, that runs on a home pc.

in the real world now, fast forward a few million years. and our sun goes nova, and everything in this solar system. at this point, the human race will have moved out into space. we have to, otherwise, we die.

computing power at this point will have advanced to the point of insane calculation speed.

If computers double in power, every 10 years, as moore suggests, then I feel it not unlikely that it will be possible to simulate, all the physics, energy, and life in an entire universal construct, in a fraction of a second. This is merely a fact, based on the degree of calculatory power available, and the existing technology available to render simulations of things we observe in our universe.

The recursive nature of this concept does lead to a neverending paradox.

But perhaps the simulation ends when it detects another simulation begin inside it? Will we be backed up, or simply core dumped?

[leehack]

Do you think the computers thought that we were bored of our current galaxy and so released the extra one they have found recently. It actualy mirrors our galaxy somewhat apparently. Do you think it's like some mirrored galaxy of ours, so if you are left handed in our galaxy, you are right handed and walk on your head in that galaxy?

[fergusw]

But perhaps the simulation ends when it detects another simulation begin inside it? Will we be backed up, or simply core dumped?

are you saying that religions all over the world are actually worshiping and putting all their faith in some kind of Sys Admin?? lol
What happens when they reboot - lets hope "our" simulation doesn't run on Windows!......... mind you - that would explain the huge number of bugs in our world!

[gabrielcrowe]

hyper evaluation:

Then the idea of a 'god' is whoever is running the simulation.

What if this simulation is actually designed for a purpose. whatever it is, its feasable that its merely a microseconds worth of simulation to god, but for us, time is played out acccording to the ruleset of the universe.

Letting this simulation run would be a very good way to travel back in time.

if you started a simulation of earth, and fast forwarded to say, the roman empire, then you'd be able to jump right in and experience it yourself.

assuming that your simulation had been 'nudged' into the roman empire, by elements under gods control.the simulation could be manupilated by god, in order to preserve commonality between events in the 'real' world, and the simulated world.

In this way, it would be possible to travel forward in time as well. to spin the simulation out for as long as you wanted, and jumping right in there too.

time as a notion in a simulation is really not an issue, since the sim can be generated, and re-generated thousands of times a second.

[fergusw]

Gabriel = BOFH = God

I can see logic in your sense

[gabrielcrowe]

every sysadmin is a god.

They command thousands of bytes to their death every day.

They give life where there was none before.

actually, i'm more of the PFY. than the BOFH.

[leehack]

I'm off to see Hiro Nakimora, to see if he can help.

[gabrielcrowe]

and also, i dont smoke at all. anything.

it'd be interesting to see what mad crap spills out of my brain under some fairly strong hallucenogenics.

[leehack]

and also, i dont smoke at all. anything.

Are you sure or is that what the computer wants you to think?

[gabrielcrowe]

pmsl. see! now youre getting the idea!

[leehack]

pmsl. see! now youre getting the idea!

Am I though or are you being fooled into thinking I am?

[gabrielcrowe]

is this forum and everyone using it, merely a simulated construct?

we can never find out.