Html 5

[fergusw]

For all the web designers out there the W3C have released a working draft for HTML 5.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/

I makes for interesting reading. Some highlights:

- Frames no more. Banished from HTML 5
- align attribute no more. <td align=center> scrapped in favour of CSS!
- <video> and <audio> tags amongst many new proposed tags
- input tag now has variety of input formats e.g. datetime,week,email, URL etc

Opens up a lot more options and opportunities for web designers and programmers, also firmly pushes the internet community down the CSS design route.


Discuss.........

[gabrielcrowe]

its about time some legacy tags were removed and real content and design separation occured.

With this draft comes the IE8 problem, that a new rendering mode will be available in IE, real standards compliance mode. This will require you to use a tag in your page to tell the browser that your page is 'really' compliant.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05...rer_standards/

Old news now, but still, it looks like the web might become a friendlier place for designers.

The problem with releasing drafts of tech like this, is that all browsers still ahve to support these legacy tags and features, while still maintaining its graces when rendering compliant pages. Cross browser and cross version bugs affect everyone that uses the web.

The real issue is its uptake.

[Darren B]

I spotted this the other day and glanced through it, actually made comment on the chat aswell, to me its another drawn out process that as gabe said is fraught with problems

about time the standards were changed but we all know IE has its own set anyway, padding in css is a problem with cross browser compatability and to be backwards compatibile and i see nothing but problems.

yes i see ms are on the discussion boards along with others, but interpretation will be a problem

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[leehack]

The align="center" could be a real problem IMO, it's too widespread in use.

About time we saw a <flash></flash> tag also me thinks, it causes enough bloody problems!

[Bob Isaac]

The align="center" could be a real problem IMO, it's too widespread in use.

I use this in <div> tags, what is the problem with that? I code to XHTML 1.0 Transitional standards.

Bob

[leehack]

I use this in <div> tags, what is the problem with that? I code to XHTML 1.0 Transitional standards.

Bob

Think you've completely missed the point Bob (or i have, my money is on you though). The fact that you use it only serves to prove what what i say. It is used a hell of a lot by a hell of a lot of people, but in html 5 it will disappear?

So your <div align="center"> (and millions of others) will be no more if the align attribute disappears?

Congrats on your coding standards though - keep up the good work.

[Bob Isaac]

It may be that it will no longer be used but browser support will remain. I remember talk about tables getting 'the chop'. When I moved over to xhtml attributes and tag names had to be lower case. Change for the better or change for change sake????

I might take up fishing by then, assuming it is not outlawed as it breaches the rights of the worms and the fish.

Bob

[leehack]

It's like a greased pole trying to get conformity as you cannot release software with no backward compliance and therefore people are not forced to change. How you deal with it is a long and slow process of teaching people the right way to do things i guess. I would like to see half of the web destroyed anyway, so maybe it could be a natural cull.

[leehack]

I might take up fishing by then, assuming it is not outlawed as it breaches the rights of the worms and the fish.

OH and LOL at this, made me chuckle.

[Bob Isaac]

I would like to see half of the web destroyed anyway, so maybe it could be a natural cull.

There is such a lot of junk out there, no wonder it is slow at times. Poor markup does not help, and much of that it not always the fault of whoever makes the pages.

My 'day' job is with the biggest employer in London and I look after one of the Intranet sites. I have to use a CMS, and I hate them. The one we use is a M$ package and is version 1. I always start with the CMS in html mode and tap in the code, then go to normal mode. If I then go back to html mode I find the code is broken. Closing tags are moved out of correct sequence or even removed, like with <li></li> it strips out the closing </li>.

Bob

[fergusw]

My 'day' job is with the biggest employer in London

Ok Bob - now I'm curious. Civil service? Deutsche Bank? UBS? some transport industry? oh - no - wait. It has to be Tesco's

seriously though, I'd be interested to know

[Bob Isaac]

The Met.

Bob

[Paul Bulpit]

Wot more Met. than TFL?