New U.K rules for use of cookies 26 May 2011 - response from actinic pls?

[Sean Williams]

I read over the weekend that Google have requested specific exemption for Analytics, but the [British] Government have declined, so I would assume by implication that Analytics iscovered by the regs.
The same article also discussed the apparent intention of the Government to only enforce the regs on the larger online businesses.

[Duncan Rounding]

One solution for (non essential) GA is here: http://cookies.dev.wolf-software.com/

[Sean Williams]

Excellent! Thanks Duncan

[cheaptents]

anything NOT essential to the website is included. whether adverts or analytics or otherwise ... basically Google were never going to get their way but from what I gather ICO will be more supporting business and giving options to help rather than saying we are going to sue you

[animal dreams]

There is another solution here which covers general cookie use:
http://civicuk.com/cookie-law/index

[gabrielcrowe]

http://countdown.wolf-software.com/

I have visited this problem today and many of my clients are now worrying.

after using any code that blocks cookies until asked nicely this is what happens to your analytics:

http://chinwag.com/blogs/sam-michel/...w-drops-use-90

This essentially makes any form of analytics provided by google useless, and it also impacts the ROI figures of adwords, making them difficult to read when it comes to how much to spend, whilst keeping a tight campaign going.

I'm aware that Actinic cannot do anything about this and its purely down to individual site owners to stand their ground but it's really punishing the EU/UK. This law is taking away something that everybody else gets for free.

Analytics, split testing, affiliation, sales tracking... the list of services that becomes useless is never ending.

So I guess we need some built in analytics for your site, that uses the same session ID as the cart, so you can justify the cookie.

Debacle.

[brucet]

Rebecca at ITC has posted a very interesting and relevant quote from the Information Commissioner's Office in another thread here:
http://community.actinic.com/showpos...54&postcount=3

[maroni35]

Very usedul Bruce. Following the link through in annex 2 (sic, no idea why not appendix) of the pdf it lists examples of good cookie policy pages. The first is to https://www.gov.uk/help/cookies. This will be the main govt website (this is the beta version). This states quite categorically that they use Google analytics and has a useful rundown of the various cookies and expiry periods.

[maroni35]

Checking through my site with the Cookie addon for Firebug, then folowing the advice from the Government as noted above we seem to be okay with analytics, then we are okay on Actinic (shopping cart exception). But we have a Facebook Like on one site, Twitter, as well as Google plus and sharethis on another.

The Sharethis seems to generate loads of Cookies as does Addthis from checking other peoples sites on the forum. There does not seem any way round this apart from a popup message asking if this is okay, which I don't want to do.

Has anyone come across information on using any of these tools and the new EU directive.?

I couldn't see anything on the Actinic website about their cookie policy yet, and then I wondered about how it would apply to subdomains ie community.actinic.com. In our case we have a blogger subdomain, do we need a cookie policy statement on that?

[brucet]

I couldn't see anything on the Actinic website about their cookie policy yet

It's at http://community.actinic.com/showthread.php?t=52545

I don't know about the Community but it uses vBulletin, which is one of the most widely adopted forum platforms in the world. I imagine it only uses cookies if you register. That should be covered in the Terms & Conditions which you are asked to accept, and would therefore be acceptable under the new law. I will get someone to check.

[completerookie]

I see the BBC News website (and other bbc sites) has just turned on the ability to control cookies, the reasoning is on a seperate page, and ultimately, gives you the ability to opt out of various types of cookies. one of those is "ad-tracking" and I can imagine the stats will show a significant drop when the start analysing.

[completerookie]

I've been spending some time looking at the cookie problem, whilst not offering a technical programming solution I have come across just a couple of places that has cut the rules down to a manageable read

the first quote was from a PcPro blog
here they stated

Finally, something resembling advice has appeared, but it’s not come from the ICO but from business organisation the International Chambers of Commerce (ICC). Despite the inevitable disclaimer on page 2 that it “does not constitute legal advice”, it’s by far the most practical guide to the cookie regulations I’ve seen so far and is the result of research carried out by an organisation looking at this from a practical point of view rather than the compliance-based approach of the ICO.

the bottom line was to point me to a PDF that trys to cut down the nonsense and ambiguity and its only 15 pages and that includes the title page, the back page, the "further reading page", so we are only looking at 12 pages and they seem to be well spaced out

perhaps others may find it useful.
kev

[guitarman]

Re EU Cookie Law Implementation

Actinic is best placed to determine how the Actinic software uses cookies.

Can we please have a definitive statement from Actinic as to whether or not Actinic's use of cookies requires those organisations using Actinic software need to implement any changes ... and, ... of course, ... what changes we need to make and how to do them.

I think it is poor that as sellers of this software Actinic have not published guidance on this issue - it's being widely reported on BBC News today and I don't want to be bothered with customers complaining that our sites don't give the option to accept / reject cookies !

[Duncan Rounding]

This will answer part of your question
http://community.actinic.com/showthread.php?t=52545

[skinnybloke]

Has anybody implemented anything yet?

This is interesting from the 28th May:

However, a day before enforcement was due to start, the ICO revealed it would consider "implied consent" to be good enough - meaning sites can simply tell users that by continuing to use the site, cookies will be used.

Read more: ICO surprises with last-minute cookies changes | News | PC Pro http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/374875/i...#ixzz1x0N3uHsu