business plus price

[dave_finlayson]

Yep - this would lead to increased sales of the additional clients IMO as it would be invaluable and required by others in the office.

Yep, think once you had 2 people happily playing Actinic together you would soon go down the route of getting everybody in on the game!

[dave_finlayson]

I'm sure many people agree with this actually. Me, for one other.

We have Business Plus because we need the Multi Site feature but there is no way the powers that be would part with £1500 ex VAT (we would probably 5 users) without being able to test it properly in a day to day office environment.

[jont]

We have Business Plus because we need the Multi Site feature but there is no way the powers that be would part with £1500 ex VAT (we would probably 5 users) without being able to test it properly in a day to day office environment.

I am in the same situation - huge amount of money to shell out if it is not suitable.

As most of the need to look at the orders are just to check the original online order with the back office copy I have been using Crystal Reports (which integrates with the BO software) to run queries on the 5 databases to show the necessary info... now all 7 machines on the network can view the info

[dave_finlayson]

If it was £100 a user to do nothing but view and print orders I would order tomorrow.

[jont]

Would Gabes plugin be of any use?

[fleetwood]

I 'think' part of the cost per user is down to the Access licence.
I'm guessing that Actinic pay so much per user for the Access database element.
Its also part of the reason why Enterprise is so much more (apart from the high price of customisation), as an SQL user licence is that much more than a Access user licence.
That must have some bearing on how low the cost can go per user.

[consciouspnm]

I 'think' part of the cost per user is down to the Access licence.
I'm guessing that Actinic pay so much per user for the Access database element.
Its also part of the reason why Enterprise is so much more (apart from the high price of customisation), as an SQL user licence is that much more than a Access user licence.
That must have some bearing on how low the cost can go per user.

MS Access is usually free in the redistributable format, you only pay for a full copy of access, not for using the MDB files. SQL 2005 Express is also free...

[fleetwood]

Thanks Nicky, I had always assumed that you needed to pay when distributing a developed product based on Access - happy to stand corrected.
So in essence, Actinic just had to buy one copy of Access, and then are able to distribute the software they built on it, without shelling out anything extra to MS.
Seems like old Bill Gates missed a trick there.

[dave_finlayson]

Would Gabes plugin be of any use?

Yes, and if it printed Actinic Order reports we would buy that instead!

[chris ashdown]

Realisticaly with the high cost of staff, is a one off charge of £300 that much to get them online and earning you money.

We use Multi User Multi Site with three users and 7 sites and consider it a great buy, soon be getting another user

PS Went on the designing with Actinic V9 course yesterday and found it great value, though maybe better over a two day period to get it to really sink in

[taliesyn]

It's not the one off charge of £300 per seat, it's the thousand odd quid you've got to shell out for plus, just to be able to have multi user functionality in the first place!

[leehack]

People's feelings towards costs are all different though Chris, a few months ago you was looking to spend £100-150 or so to upgrade a PC, rather than spend £300 buying a new one.

The debacle of Multi-user in V8, is as much to blame for people's caution as anything else IMO. I have spoken to a handful of people who just feel plain ripped off with it. Once these feelings disappear, i think the new V9 version will be a massive hit.

[chris ashdown]

Yes but I do remember a very long development time to get it networking and with limited networking users the company must recover that development in a reasonable timeframe

[chris ashdown]

People's feelings towards costs are all different though Chris, a few months ago you was looking to spend £100-150 or so to upgrade a PC, rather than spend £300 buying a new one.

The debacle of Multi-user in V8, is as much to blame for people's caution as anything else IMO. I have spoken to a handful of people who just feel plain ripped off with it. Once these feelings disappear, i think the new V9 version will be a massive hit.

You are right lee that made me consider what my company was worth, what I would do in a fire situation etc and made me realise what a dangerous path i was treading, hence new systems and raid etc

Sometime you have to move from startup mentality where you watch every penny to alls running, now how do we keep it all running well

[taliesyn]

You are right lee that made me consider what my company was worth, what I would do in a fire situation etc and made me realise what a dangerous path i was treading, hence new systems and raid etc

Sometime you have to move from startup mentality where you watch every penny to alls running, now how do we keep it all running well

This is not about penny pinching, and it's absolutely nothing to do with startup mentality.

The amount that the company's spent on development is not the customer's concern. Maybe the fact that there's limited network usage should tell people something. If a feature doesn't sell, then the money you make on it is zero in any case.

We actually don't need multi-site. We're doing very well with the site we've got thank you very much. We're a mature established business that knows exactly what it wants and where it's going, and I'll say it again, the actual cost is not the issue for us. I can see it discouraging many people though.