Minimum quantity problem

[Concept]

I am taking an old v7 LE site into v9.02 business via copy and paste method as there were only a few products and they now need setting up differently.

However I notice that minimum quantity does not work in v9.02 but it did in v7

I have a product with it minimum quantity set as 5 in the details
On the preview page the word Quantity shows with 1
I have the prices showing 4-19 items £6.99 and 20 or more items £6.49
(with a line without tick in 'enabled' on the price tab with the greyed out min box)

However showing 1 in the quantity box on the web page will imply that 1 can be bought - and it can't - and will presumbaly give an error message when this goes live - it won't run the script in preview mode)

How can I get the quantity box to recognise the value (in this case 5) that I have entered for minimum quantity?
(Each product has a different min quanity so I need to set it at product level)

Frustrating that it worked in v7 and doesn't in v9.02

In hope....
Jo

[leehack]

Select the input box on the design tab and you will probably see that it gets it's default value from the wrong variable for what you want. Change it to suit your requirement. I've never quite fathomed why it is this way, makes no sense to me.

[Concept]

Ok I can get the design view up but when I click on it I'm not sure what I am looking for?

I see a line saying
<input type="text" name="Q ProductID" size = "4" value="DefaultQuantity" />
If I double click to open DefaultQuantity under other it has
Condition true
Slectable true

Is this what I need to change? If so what to?
If not what should I be looking for?

[leehack]

The value part is using the default quantity variable which usually equals 1, change that to use the minimum order quantity variable instead.

[Concept]

ok but what is the minimum order quantity variable - where do I find what that is called?

[Concept]

I found one called MinQuantityOrderable and put that in the 'Condition' (which said true before) but that still didn't work....

[leehack]

You are not looking to add it to any condition, where did you get that idea from? You are looking to replace the field that the value attribute looks at, so in plain English it would be:

value="min order quantity variable"

instead of

value="default quantity"

[Concept]

ok but where do I do that globally so it does it for all products?
If I do it in design view on a particular product it will only do it for that product?
I want it to only show the minimum you can order to the customer on the website for ALL products
Why does this no longer work - it used to in v7.

[leehack]

If you do it on the design tab within a product layout, then all products using that layout would adopt the change. As to whether all products in the site take that change is down to whether all products use the same layout. If not then you need to adjust all product layouts.

I'd suggest before you go diving into the design tab that you snapshot the site and take a little time to understand the basic concepts of actinic and how it works. It is a template/layout based system, if you change something in the product description field for example, that is specific to the product. If you change it in the product layout, that will roll out across all products using that layout. Get this part clear in your head and it will help you tenfold. Don't confuse it too much though, it's exactly the same principle as V7.

Why it is this way, i have no idea as already mentioned, i think it's actually an oversight on Actinic's behalf. If min order quantity is more than 1 on a product, the default quantity should be replaced with this figure as i see it.

[Concept]

Now I see - I only need to change this in the Layout Code - not double click to edit that actual thing.
For anyone who wants this in future I have changed
value=""DefaultQuantity"

to
value="MinQuantityOrderable"

and now it shows my minimum quantity of 5.

However this has not updated all of the products, only some of them - so I have to check the rest!
Would be much easier if there was a global setting.
Thanks Lee

[leehack]

If all have not updated, i suspect that the main quantity orderable has not been changed on those products in question or those products have different product layouts. Those would be my next things to check. If you use the same product layout across the store, you should get that global effect you mention. The min quantity (default quantity) can also be set in site options.

[Concept]

There is nothing in Site Options that shows a minimum quantity or default quantity in Site Options that I can see. For product it just shows in general list:
Add to Cart Button Layout
Cart Button Image
Default Product Image
Product Price Desicription
Retail Price Description
Text for Cart Button
Your Price Description

in layout (still for Product):
Column Count For Products
Price Layout
Price Layout for Online Customer Prices
Product Also Bought Item Layout
Product Layout
Product List Layout
Product Related Products Item Layout
Width of Product List

none of which seem to mention quantity, minimum or otherwise

In the Design Library I have found DefaultQuantity in lots of them - so am changing them all. For anyone who finds this thread beware there are more than one instance of this in Business version so make sure to change all.

This is a really long-winded way of doing this by changing every product layout.

[leehack]

Sorry Jo i meant in business settings not site options, apologies.

[Concept]

The only thing I can see in Business Settings is under Ordering = Order Quanity Always One - which I have NO tick in.

Again there is nothing about using a minimum order quantity, so no quick way to make it use the different minimums for different products

[leehack]

Unticking the always one tickbox enables the minimum order field on the product so you can fill it out. If you want different minimums for each of the products, then you'd need to go into each product and set the level individually. If they are different, i don't see how you could ever get them set globally in a quick manner.

If you want to set a global value, where actinic was using the default value variable, perhaps you could create your own variable, add the figure into it that you want (5 for example) and use this in the layout instead. That would give you global filling out of the quantity field then. It would allow people to put in less though i think if they changed it, as this is just the initial on screen figure you are changing.

If the default value cannot be changed from 1 to anything else, then exporting your products into a csv file and seeing if that field is exported may be a quick way to set it. I think you will need to have minimum set in order to stop people ordering less than that amount, so maybe the export way, if the ability to change the global value is not possible.