Alignment of left-hand menu in some browsers

[Richard Gray]

I've got a weird problem with the layout of the standard LH menu bar in a site I'm developing at www.footmarkcustomer.co.uk.

On my machine's standard browsers (IE7, Firefox, Safari) everything's fine and the menu looks as intended (see below)



However, on my customer's machine running, I think, IE 6 it looks like this:



I've had a look at the source code and it seems like a quite reasonable table with lists and divs, e.g.

<div class="greyline"><img src="acatalog/theme_shim.gif" height="1" width="1" alt=" " /></div>
<ul class="products"><li>
<a href="acatalog/Chossing_Where_to_Study.html" class="product_section">

   Where to study
</a>	
</li></ul>

The corresponding css styles from the Actinic stylesheet are:

ul.products	{
	line-height: normal;
	font-size: <actinic:variable name="StandardFontSize" />;
	color: <actinic:variable name="RequiredColor" />;
	list-style-type: none;
		list-style-image: url(shim.gif);
		margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
	padding-top: 3px;
	padding-right: 0px;
	padding-bottom: 4px;
	padding-left: 10px;
	border-left-width: 6px;
	border-left-style: solid;
	border-left-color: #e71e16;
		border-right-width: 2px;
	border-right-style: solid;
	border-right-color: #e3e3e3;
		}

       a.product_section:link  {
	color : #636363;
	text-decoration : none;
	}

Can anybody give me any insight into why I'm getting this effect? Any help greatly appreciated!

[RuralWeb]

my customer's machine running, I think, IE 6

Tell him to upgrade

[Richard Gray]

Hmmm, might work for him, but I can't really tell all HIS customers to upgrade now can I?? ;-)

[malbro]

Hmmm, might work for him, but I can't really tell all HIS customers to upgrade now can I?? ;-)

There are known problems with css files on earlier version of browsers, in your position I would do some research on the various web sites that give help on css.

[RuralWeb]

I can't really tell all HIS customers to upgrade now can I

How many of them actually use ie6 - do you actually know?

[leehack]

<div class="greyline"><img src="acatalog/theme_shim.gif" height="1" width="1" alt=" " /></div>

Is the above a nostalgic look back with a glimpse of the future? Seriously 1px shims is just so funny, OMG, that's like seeing shellsuits come back into fashion.

I'd expect that you will be falling foul of either the whitespace bug (what's with the big gaps) or lack of margin defined. Streamline the code too, there's no need for that much nowadays, that could in fact be the problem, too much code.

Float the ul and li left, scrap the shims and the pointless div and get it back to clean code, it will probaby play ball then.

[Jarvis]

Hmmm, might work for him, but I can't really tell all HIS customers to upgrade now can I?? ;-)

Is he using Betamax, VHS, CDR, CDW or Blueray?
Has he got 405 or 625 lines on his telly?
Does his car run on Leaded or Unleaded petrol?
Still going to Bognor for holidays?
Tell him to upgrade.

[Rich Brady]

OMG, that's like seeing shellsuits come back into fashion.

It's only a matter of time...

[leehack]

Has he got 405 or 625 lines on his telly?

I'd have said B&W or colour?

[malbro]

How many of them actually use ie6 - do you actually know?

I am getting figures around 18% so I would have thought it was still a significant browser that needs to be handled correctly

[Jarvis]

Okay, I was wrong.
I thought it was a lot less.
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

It's known to be buggy but people stick to it.
And it's FREE!
Weird.

[grantglendinnin]

Can't say I agree to tell him to upgrade, here's why:


Here's why

[Rich Brady]

I am getting figures around 18% so I would have thought it was still a significant browser that needs to be handled correctly

Just out of curiousity, where are you getting those figures from?

Google analytics shows IE (36% if anyone cares), but not which version.

[leehack]

95% of the world not selling dolls houses now I see.....

[Darren B]

I work on a simplistic theory these days. If you dont have ie 7 then you probably dont have XP if you dont have XP then your pc is old, if your pc is old then you should really need to buy a new one, if you not buying a new pc then your probably not going to be buying from me, so if your not buying from me, im not build a site for you to look at.

its the same with the build for 800res scenarios apparently theres a demand for it. (less than 6%)

This is how my ie looks for one site

MSIE 219904 77.5 %
Msie 8.0 1304 0.4%
Msie 7.0 165753 58.4%
Msie 6.0 52620 18.5%
Msie 5.5 158 0%
Msie 5.1 41 0%
Msie 5.00 2 0%
Msie 5.0 1 2 0%
Msie 4.01 4 0%
Msie 3.02 5 0%
Msie 2.0 5 0%
Msie ? 40 0 %

The 18.5% for ie 6 is of the 77.5% of all broswers so is less