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    Page size and efficient upload times ....

    I picked up a snippit on a thread indicating that a page size of 85kB was a useful benchmark and based on a 56k modem would take approx 2/3 secs.

    However, when I open an Actinic generated page in Dreamweaver, the upload time it suggests is far greater, (bottom LH corner indicator on status bar of window).

    In fact one of my pages was 157Kb / 23secs on a 56K modem.

    This is clearly horrible! But is this right, (not saying Macromedia have it wrong), and whats the logic if it is ?

    Simon.
    esafetysigns.co.uk
    your instant download portal for self printable health and safety signs and posters
    ... download once use as many times as you like !

    http://www.esafetysigns.co.uk/index.html
    http://www.esafetysigns.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
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    #2
    Most of that would probably be your images.

    Make sure you tick the 'generate compact html' box so all comments and unnecessary stuff are removed before upload.

    Mike
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    First Tackle - Fly Fishing and Game Angling

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      #3
      Whats the logic ?

      But whats the logic ?

      157K / 56 K = 23 secs

      My maths teacher would be turning in his grave, well his ashes would be anyhow!

      Simon.
      esafetysigns.co.uk
      your instant download portal for self printable health and safety signs and posters
      ... download once use as many times as you like !

      http://www.esafetysigns.co.uk/index.html
      http://www.esafetysigns.co.uk/acatalog/index.html

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        #4
        157K BYTES = 1,256 K bits ( 8 bits = 1 Byte)

        Welcome to the digital era.

        Mike
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        First Tackle - Fly Fishing and Game Angling

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          #5
          I'm sure some other users here can enlighten more, but here's my bit....

          Regardless of the Maths, there's a lot of factors involved in download speed - net congestion, your ISP's uplink and contention ratio being probably the most important.

          In otherwords what bandwidth is available for your connection all the way from you to the server and back. It can vary greatly on the time of day and the number of users the server is serving.

          DW only shows this as a guide. Generally the faster the download the better impression the site will give to the visitor who can then spend more time looking at what to buy than waiting.

          Duncan

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            #6
            [QUOTE=simonwar]I picked up a snippit on a thread indicating that a page size of 85kB was a useful benchmark and based on a 56k modem would take approx 2/3 secs.

            QUOTE]

            That was my post, 85k will take about 9 seconds, I wish it was 2/3 secs it would make things much easier.

            The main problem as I see it is if you design a site in Photoshop or similar as a single image and slice it all up to create a wonderful piece of art then this will take up all your valuable file size leaving very little for your products. Most designers I think will have by now a fast broadband connection which make it very easy to forget Mrs Miggins with her 56 K modem which on a good day manages 30K.

            I was with a potential client yesterday who said that the majority of thier customers are little old ladies on very old and slow PCs. They had had a site built for them that looked the bizz BUT they were getting very poor results.

            The cause was obvious - the pages were huge, so big infact that they would not download. It was also desined with absolute table sizes and fonts which meant that it could not fit on thier 800x600 screen without scrolling and they could not resize the font to make it easier to read. The moral of the story is design for your customers not to create a work of art or satisfy the ever changing whims of the search engines.

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              #7
              If you are using repeating images and CSS (as a standalone style sheet and not in the <head> of each page) then the second page will draw from the cache so only new page elements will be fetched from the server thereby reducing some of the overhead.

              As Duncan says even on the best of days and if you are 10 feet from the BT exchange you will never get a 56k connection on dial up.


              Bikster
              SellerDeck Designs and Responsive Themes

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                #8
                I get it ...

                Thanks for straightening me out, I've always considered myself to have a good grasp of IT, but didn't realise that a 1Kb is 8 bits!

                Apologies for mis-quoting, (RuralWeb), that is.

                I've got some thinking to do, but I have added a thread that may help me reduce my large Sections, and would appreciate any help on it if you haven't already...

                http://community.actinic.com/showthread.php?t=16797

                Cheers All, Simon.

                [Jont, the problems I was having with CSS mods seems to have gone away, but i know not why, but when I rebooted, things would change, then eventually, mods to CSS and saving worked...... god knows why this happened this way. it was probbaly me!)
                esafetysigns.co.uk
                your instant download portal for self printable health and safety signs and posters
                ... download once use as many times as you like !

                http://www.esafetysigns.co.uk/index.html
                http://www.esafetysigns.co.uk/acatalog/index.html

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                  #9
                  Re: Page sizes/download times

                  Hi there just reading your post, I had the same problem and I still am a bit worried about image sizes etc but I now have 1 page per product except from my new in and bestsellers pages etc and I have had good results in doing so. The pages are now so much quicker to look at.

                  Take a look, www.virgofashions.com

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                    #10
                    [QUOTE=virgofashions]I now have 1 page per product except from my new in and bestsellers pages etc and I have had good results in doing so. The pages are now so much quicker to look at.
                    QUOTE]

                    Your site seems very quick to me and yet it appears to have quite a lot of largish images. Any more clues as to how you achieved that?

                    I have about 1,400 products so I don't really fancy having to have one page per product but I guess if I had to I would.

                    I certainly can't see anyone who has achieved the task of splitting sections into subpages....

                    Any advice welcome ... I especially want to get rid of pre-loading images that are not even used !!
                    Richard
                    www.worldofenvelopes.com

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