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[Rollerboy]

yes... XP all the way.. nice and stable. Stable releases of cPanel and WHM.

People on V7 aren't looking forward or in tune with the web in general IMO, not cos they're on V7, it's more the mindset in my experience. Grabbing every last breath out of anything will never put you towards the front, you'll generally be going backwards and falling behind each and every day.

Just because people like me dont want to chase every upgrade... doesnt mean we're going backwards.. I know many many horror stories regarding impulsive upgrades. For me, a simple and stable enviroment is more important for my business than having the latest releases.

If I was struggling to make sales I'd be more inclined to listen to Lee..
As it is we're struggling to pack all the orders we're receiving. Christmas sales have been excellent.. all on an out of date v7 site, on an XP machine.

Any real expert wouldnt offer blanket advise IMO. Every business is different.
Finding what works for you is the most important thing.

As for missing a trick... yes, I am, intentionally... it is after all a marketing trick. I also never send out sales emails to customers either.. I dont like them filling my inbox, so I imagine there are others like me, who dont like annoying upsells and emails..

Lots of people avoid ebay etc like the plague. I run my businesses how I would like to find a business, and for me that ploy is working fine thanks..
I dont want to be.. or look like.. Ebay, McDonalds or Poundstretcher

[leehack]

Your argument is getting less coherent by the minute, within a couple of posts, you'll be talking about how x-factor is affecting the gravitational pull of the moon.

The whole world struggles to pack everything at Christmas, it's the peak of retail sales for heaven's sake (Amazon did 1,000 orders per minute for a whole 24 hour period in the same period last year). What are you getting at it? You're busy when everyone else is too? That's no tick in the box that you are doing well, that's tunnel vision and clinging onto a fact that would be a disaster if not the case. That's much like a footballer saying that he can kick a ball.

If you read the posts properly instead of frothing at the mouth, you will see there was very little blanket advice, words such as "usually", "generalisations" and "overwhelming sway towards those points" are not blanket phrases at all. Improved SEO was a blanket statement for sure though, one benefit which you are clearly missing out on.

I'm still on XP too, good solid stable system that does it's job, Vista offers me nothing extra on XP, so i stick with it. You seem to be on a crusade to do it your way, in a retro style whilst catering for people like yourself - which is cool as long as you're happy. If you are so happy and so sure, don't directly ask me "is there more" if you are not going to allow me to answer or indeed if your ideas are so closed that new information means nothing anyway. That time would be better spent packing boxes i'd imagine.

I think it all needs a bit more thought than you're giving it though. Using unsupported software woefully out of date is not a crime no, for sure it is your choice. Rash statements about designers and the industry are just plain naive though. Until you've seen both sides, i'm not sure how you can offer any sage advice anyway.

[madboyo]

You will note that i never mentioned the Dreamweaver interface at all either, this is the single most important and best thing from a designers point of view in V8. But it is pretty much exclusive to a designer, hence no mention!

I use the Dreamweaver snapins with V7 to help me work out which bits of code do what, where, when and how. You comment makes it sound like it's a new thing!?

Maybe it's how you say what you say rather than what you say Lee. It's always the problem though with this type of written communication as you can't see the person's eye or hear the tone of their voice to work out how it is going.

Anyway all I wanted was help on a code issue not advice on whether to upgrade or not. As a moderator you of all people should be able to keep a thread on track, should you not?

[leehack]

I use the Dreamweaver snapins with V7 to help me work out which bits of code do what, where, when and how. You comment makes it sound like it's a new thing!?

The V8/V9 DW integration is different to what you are talking about (two-way for starters). You're on about opening up an actinic layout in DW. In V8 we first got the facility to create a design in DW and then register it with actinic (designer oriented mainly). Your exclamation mark seems to imply you know what you're talking about and i'm mad. This is a prime example where a little knowledge is dangerous. An experienced designer that's been using the software for so many years is very very unlikely to make a fundamental mistake such as this, if you think you've seen such an example, you can be almost certain it is you that has got it wrong. Not knowing is fine, we all start somewhere, but talking as though you do know, when it's clear you do not is ill-advised in my book and needs correcting.

Maybe it's how you say what you say rather than what you say Lee. It's always the problem though with this type of written communication as you can't see the person's eye or hear the tone of their voice to work out how it is going.

Perhaps you are right, i'm sure we'd be fine face to face. I gave you an honest opinion and so you didn't take it personally i gave the get out clauses too. I still to this day have never seen your site. Your reaction told me that i'd hit a raw nerve though, but that's cool surely cos at least you are thinking about your site, even if nothing comes of it? As we don't get the face to face, when someone writes, take any positives from it and ignore any negatives. Like you say, however you take the comments is a pure guess on that person's persona anyway.

Anyway all I wanted was help on a code issue not advice on whether to upgrade or not. As a moderator you of all people should be able to keep a thread on track, should you not?

I've not replied to you since your coding problem was posted, i've been replying to the other guy, so anything since that point was not at you. The thread has gone off track, for me it has only answered questions that were asked of me though, but i will bow out so that no further digression is suffered. I'll leave my replies on for a week and then get rid of them to clear it up, my opinion is clearly as useful and as helpful as a fart in a spacesuit in this case.

[guccij]

Oh please you silly children. Get over yourselves. Lee and Rich do a fantastic job on here. I for one would not have a site at all if I hadn't listened to the (free) advice and support they and many others offer.

No-one cares whether you use v7. Just do your site, make your own judgements and if you're happy with the result, go for it. Just don't expect everyone else to agree with you or be prepared to offer free support for an outdated vehicle.

[guccij]

I help run 3 very successful, nice and stable and simple v7 sites.

Excellent. Well done. What are they?

[madboyo]

The V8/V9 DW integration is different to what you are talking about (two-way for starters). You're on about opening up an actinic layout in DW. In V8 we first got the facility to create a design in DW and then register it with actinic (designer oriented mainly). Your exclamation mark seems to imply you know what you're talking about and i'm mad. This is a prime example where a little knowledge is dangerous. An experienced designer that's been using the software for so many years is very very unlikely to make a fundamental mistake such as this, if you think you've seen such an example, you can be almost certain it is you that has got it wrong. Not knowing is fine, we all start somewhere, but talking as though you do know, when it's clear you do not is ill-advised in my book and needs correcting.


Perhaps you are right, i'm sure we'd be fine face to face. I gave you an honest opinion and so you didn't take it personally i gave the get out clauses too. I still to this day have never seen your site. Your reaction told me that i'd hit a raw nerve though, but that's cool surely cos at least you are thinking about your site, even if nothing comes of it? As we don't get the face to face, when someone writes, take any positives from it and ignore any negatives. Like you say, however you take the comments is a pure guess on that person's persona anyway.


I've not replied to you since your coding problem was posted, i've been replying to the other guy, so anything since that point was not at you. The thread has gone off track, for me it has only answered questions that were asked of me though, but i will bow out so that no further digression is suffered. I'll leave my replies on for a week and then get rid of them to clear it up, my opinion is clearly as useful and as helpful as a fart in a spacesuit in this case.

The biggest problem is that you make statements such as the DW integration and then do not elaborate on the improvements/changes leaving anyone reading it with the wrong impression or thinking that isn't quite right.

The exclamation point was with the view that you "can" use DW with V7 as I obviously do. The question mark was asking if the way you use it had differed. By your reply it obviously had.

Maybe you should take some of your own advice about not reading into things others write. I made no suggestion that you were wrong, mad and didn't know shit. Or in fact that I was better than you or actually was a web designer. One thing I will not do irrespective of either of our skill sets is bow to your every comment just because "you" say so without providing evidence to back up your statements.

The same way you seem to be offended by my alleged comments I was offended when you decided to brand me, my site etc as backward thinking ignorant plebs who don't deserve to be running an online shop without even looking at the site.

Please do not clean this thread up. The comments are there and whilst they do digress from my initial question they do contain information about later products, pros and cons, that haves and have nots. If people discard the misinterpretation and some questionable comments then the thread is actually informative.

Given you seem to be held in such high regard by some on here then I'm guessing you have the ability to answer my coding question. What's interesting is that you chose not to.

[guccij]

I'm guessing you have the ability to answer my coding question. What's interesting is that you chose not to.

Maybe he didn't have time to code your site for you?

Why is it that it's always the people who want something for nothing who go off on one?

Moderators - time to can this whole thread I reckon.

[Rich Brady]

Okay, I'm closing this thread as it would appear we've exhausted the topic.