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**RuralWeb** · 23-Mar-2008, 09:34 PM

The easiest fix would be to use the banner to control the min width of the site. Create a new one say 800 pix and see if that works - if not then play with it until the site does not compress.

There are lots of other ways of doing it but IMO KISS

**Greenmind** · 24-Mar-2008, 01:18 AM

Hi. Thanks. I enlarged the logo to a size that could be considered more of a 'banner', and it has helped, but not fixed things altogether. I've got an ongoing fiddle thing going on, changing this, and changing that. I figure that this will eventually lead to the desire outcome.

Do you know why <body onload="preload images doesn't have a /> after it? Just seems strange to me.

Is KISS an acronym? Or are you just being affectionate?

**NormanRouxel** · 24-Mar-2008, 02:03 AM

Do you know why <body onload="preload images doesn't have a /> after it?

HTML tags that stand on their own (like <img ... />) use the trailing slash to indicate that they're stand-alone tags.

<body> is paired with </body> and that's where the trailing slash lives.

**Greenmind** · 24-Mar-2008, 02:31 AM

Thanks. Makes sense. The reason I asked is because my head area - the logo and such is now stuck on the left hand side, not central as it should be, and I'm getting an error of:

Script error at line 36: Syntax error (2 times)

but changing

<body onload="PreloadImages

to

<body onload="PreloadImages">

fixes it.

**NormanRouxel** · 24-Mar-2008, 03:37 AM

That line should be

Code:

<body onload="<actinic:variable value="PreloadImages" name="OnLoadScript" />">

**RuralWeb** · 24-Mar-2008, 09:54 AM

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

**Greenmind** · 24-Mar-2008, 11:53 PM

Okay then. And there was me thinking you were expressing some deep affection

I'm learning so much on this forum.

Brief recap:

RTFM = read the f*****g manual

KISS = keep it simple stupid

STFYC = search the forum you c**t

Ok, I think the last one has yet to become officially recognised, but I can see it catching on.

**jont** · 25-Mar-2008, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Greenmind

STFYC

Get that copyrighted before Lee gets here!

**Philip M** · 31-Mar-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by RuralWeb

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

Is this "Actinic Professionals" Speak?
Don't think I'll bother asking a question.

**TraceyHand** · 31-Mar-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Philip M

Is this "Actinic Professionals" Speak?
Don't think I'll bother asking a question.

It's not meant offensively.
It's more a 'turn of phrase' than an insult.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle for the full explanation!

**Philip M** · 31-Mar-2008, 08:27 PM

[QUOTE=TraceyHand]It's not meant offensively.
It's more a 'turn of phrase' than an insult.

Hi Tracey
Thanks for your response- The term KISS "Keep It Short and Simple" used to be used a lot in publishing and then found itself being re-translated by the Amercians about 3 years ago.
I think the point I was trying to make in shorthand ( possibly due to the time of day) is that over the years I have found this forum, as have many hundreds of users, to be very very useful and have been extremely grateful ( I pay �300 per year for support and have never got the right answer in 5 years), however, a lot of 'actinic-newcomers' can be put off asking a question because they do not want to be classed as 'stupid' which they aren't. . .And this does happen a lot through the various sections.
The reason a lot of us are here is that we are not programmers, or is it developers? and it can sometimes take 4-5 hours trawling search results when often the answer can be provided in 30 seconds.
Now would anyone like some advice on killing varous forms of bacteria

Cheers
Phil

**RuralWeb** · 31-Mar-2008, 08:49 PM

I think the point I was trying to make in shorthand ( possibly due to the time of day) is that over the years I have found this forum, as have many hundreds of users, to be very very useful and have been extremely grateful

If you think my comments are offensive then I find it offensive that people can spend so much time taking from the forum without ever giving anything back. There must have been many times that you read a post and thought I know the answer but I cannot be bothered to post it - KISS is not in the slightest offensive.

Lets see a little more help to new members from you in the future so us offensive professionals dont have to post anymore.

**leehack** · 31-Mar-2008, 11:54 PM

Let's hope you never get a RTFM, you might have a breakdown!

What baffles me about posts like yours is the fact that you praise the forum so very highly, but then moan about the way in which things are handled at times. If you approach someone and ask for their paid help, you have every right to expect the transaction to pass under conditions with which you are happy to do business. If you are not paying and getting it free - expect nothing at all! Two of the oldest sayings in the world - "beggars can't be choosers" and "never look a gift horse in the mouth" ring very true here IMO.

It's easy to rape the forum of its knowledge and give absolutely zilch back, any pratt can do that. It's infinitely harder to play an active part and not sit on the sidelines throwing stones. Like most people, forum regulars are just normal guys and gals, they sometimes get peed off, sometimes short with people, sometimes they are very helpful, sometimes they even bite their lip and say nothing.

You have given nothing, taken a huge amount, yet you sit there moaning - that my friend is the attitude actually wrong with the forum. The forum exists in the real world, i know it may seem like Walton's Mountain at times with the incredible amount of free help provided, but it isn't. If you are not happy how things are, then get off your backside, join in and try to play your part in changing it. You never know Mr Wonder, you might just see a completely different story from the other side of the fence.

**Greenmind** · 01-Apr-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by leehack

Let's hope you never get a RTFM, you might have a breakdown!

What baffles me about posts like yours is the fact that you praise the forum so very highly, but then moan about the way in which things are handled at times.

It's easy to rape the forum of its knowledge and give absolutely zilch back, any pratt can do that

I'm sure Philip would like to thank you for illustrating his point so eloquently Lee. I think your post epitomises exactly what he's getting at.

If you're a newbie, and short of experience and subsequent knowledge, there's not a great deal you can give back other than a simple 'thanks'. We can't sweep the forum floor or make some cyber tea, but I'm sure we would if we could.

There's a certain mild 'acidity' continually hanging over this forum, of the type that I haven't experienced anywhere else. Even at the political forum I use, where passions can run very high, there is a basic understanding of the need for some level of mutual respect. Posters rarely resort to ad hominem style attacks as we do here.

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