Paypal Pro examples

[feemish]

On sites that I have designed, I see on average where a PSP and Paypal are both offered, that Paypal is used around 20-25% of the time, the alternative PSP (usually PROTX, Worldpay or HSBC) does the rest. That is a statistic that is simply impossible to argue against IMO.

Its not impossible to argue with at all I'm afraid. If you offer a choice most people will choose the PSP because there is still the misunderstanding that to pay using paypal you need a paypal account.
The public still generally dont know that you dont need an account and can pay using a credit card.

If there is no choice and it is clearly explained that you dont need a paypal account, people will pay using paypal.

If people want your product they will pay using whichever PSP is there. I think the supposed 'kudos' of a PSP may be illusory.

[feemish]

Personally I favour the think big, aim big and be big approach, taking particular notice of how the powerful sites have succeeded.

Older powerful sites maybe... In the old days there was no real choice but to use a PSP... times change.. The youth market accepts paypal as given.. protx etc mean nothing to the younger market... and the younger market is the future.. as I was saying in the other thread the anti paypal snobbery of the dinosaurs might actually be costing you sales..

as Duncan says, the target market is an important factor, if your product is aimed at a youth market, and an international market, you might find paypal is all you need, and will not present any limit at all to your growth.

[leehack]

LOL what a brickwall, it isn't costing me a penny, I design sites for a living not manage or profit from them. I couldn't give a monkeys whether a site has it or not, however, nor do I need to even ponder it, I have a portfolio of sites that tell me all I need to know, without the need to guess, ask other people or hold myself back. I'm not a blinfolded site owner, i'm a designer.

I am also not anti Paypal at all if you bother to read properly, I am very for it, I am against Paypal Pro, that is it and that is for the reasons you've already been told.

[Duncan Rounding]

I still think PPs aim is to get people to sign up for an account though - that's why they don't really go all out with the information saying that they accept cards.

I use PP quite a lot but my personal gripe with PP as a purchaser is that if you use an email address that is associated to a recognised PP account then you must use your PP account and can't use a credit card.

I echo Lee's comments on PPPro - PPs good, but not PPPro.

[feemish]

LOL what a brickwall, it isn't costing me a penny, I design sites for a living not manage or profit from them.

well then... need i say more. Hopefully people who do actually run shops will understand my point... I'm sure you, being a 'designer' charge more for integrating PSPs.. and maybe some of the sites you design would do just as well with only paypal as an option... but as you say

I couldn't give a monkeys whether a site has it or not, however, nor do I need to even ponder it,

hhmm

[guccij]

Older powerful sites maybe... In the old days there was no real choice but to use a PSP... times change..

Times might change - but so do the rules. PCI compliance isn't something you can just ignore.
We took a decision very early on to use a PSP - I'm talking 2001 - and while we've changed a couple of times along the way, there's no way we would have done things differently. Customer confidence is everything.

[feemish]

https://www.paypal.com/pcicompliance

[rmorrow]

https://www.paypal.com/pcicompliance

This includes the following:

How does my business become PCI compliant?
You can either use PayPal Website Payments Standard, Email Payments, or Payflow Link.

No mention of Website Payments Pro....

This: https://cms.paypal.com/cms_content/e...WhitePaper.pdf, however includes the folowing statement:

Note that if you use Website Payments Pro instead, you can give your client the option of letting their customers pay on the website. But then your client would take on full responsibility for making sure that their web hosts, shopping carts, and other partners comply with PCI DSS requirements.

i.e. If you use Website Payments Pro then you are responsible for PCI compliance, not PayPal. I think this is what the others are getting at in this thread. We use Standard Payments and are very happy with it. However, as suggested elsewhere, it accounts for about 20-30% of sales - Worldpay takes the majority of the rest.

My feeling is that it is heavily dependent on your customer demographic. If they like PayPal and nothing else then maybe that's all you need.

[feemish]

Thank you rmorro,

I see, then that is a big minus on paypal pro. thanks for the info.
I'm also with paypal standard. So maybe best to stick.

Yes I agree, the demographic is important... i think the younger customers feel very at home with paypal...

paypal only takes 30%.. but I'm sure this is because people are still think you need a paypal account to pay using paypal... so they choose the alternative..
If the alternative wasnt there and it was explained that they didnt need an account... would people leave the site ?... no.. they would pay using paypal.

[leehack]

well then... need i say more. Hopefully people who do actually run shops will understand my point... I'm sure you, being a 'designer' charge more for integrating PSPs.. and maybe some of the sites you design would do just as well with only paypal as an option... but as you say

Your wild assumptions really do illustrate your lack of experience. I have never charged anyone a single penny for adding a PSP to an actinic website, it takes about 2 minutes to do, it makes me no money whatsoever and 90% of the time it has already been done by the site owner themselves anyway. I actively encourage the addition of Paypal Website Payments, it's a fantastic second payment/backup method. Paypal Pro is a shocker.

In your own words you have explained why Paypal doesn't work to its full potential when on its own (if you need to explain how something works, then it really has already failed). Yet you seem completely oblivious to the evidence you have written yourself. Paypal only sites can exist for sure and they can do well. They can also improve even more by adding a PSP without question. Give it a try and find out if you're not too scared of being wrong. Check out your cart abandon rates against industry averages, see how much money you are leaving on the table.

A little knowledge is dangerous as they say, no knowledge is just plain annoying. I'm out, good luck to you.

[Rich Brady]

I'm astonished that there is now a 3rd thread on this topic. How is that helping any one who searches for paypal issues?

It's seems to me that you are only lookin for evidence to back up your opinion and not looking for the best advice regards accepting payment.

The public still generally dont know that you dont need an account and can pay using a credit card.

Your words, not mine. So why would you choose to have only PayPal if you beleive the general populus aren't aware they can use it without an account.

I can see I'm not going to convince you that another PSP will add to your business, but think about this.

How many major compnaies, (M&S, Amazon, Play, etc) only have PayPal as a payment option?

[Darren B]

Im confused

one minute your telling us they are known by everyman and his dog and people have confidence in it, the next you admit you have to explain you dont need a paypal account?

It is clear to me you dont wish to take up any of Lee's offers / side bets and im wondering if this is because you realise there is some truth in the well explained information he has given you.

well then... need i say more. Hopefully people who do actually run shops will understand my point... I'm sure you, being a 'designer' charge more for integrating PSPs.. and maybe some of the sites you design would do just as well with only paypal as an option... but as you say

I run a number of shops, some mine some not, and i still dont understand your point?

[rmorrow]

This has gone way off topic, hasn't it??
Let's go back to the start:

Can anyone direct me to a live actinic store that is integrated with Paypal Pro?

Since no one has actually done this, is it reasonable to assume that there are very few?

I'm currently on v7.0.3 which uses paypal website payments standard.. The checkout is a bit tiresom as some details have to be entered on the actinic pages and then on the paypal pages too..

This doesn't really sit well with your view that all you need is PayPal - you seem to be looking for an alternative....

[rmorrow]

PSP survery

This makes interesting reading:
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article...506121900H1756

[feemish]

It may interest some of you to know that Manchester City FC, reportedly the Premier Leagues richest club use Actinic for their shop and... wait for it.... only accept paypal. No other PSP. Just Paypal.

http://shop.mcfc.co.uk/

Have a look.