Alphabetical Keywords

[Duncan Rounding]

Im getting context errors on all Ver 04 sites now...

What do you mean by 'context errors' Malcolm?

[RuralWeb]

I am getting an error message saying that the meta keywords and description are used out of context.

[cdicken]

Most of the pages are showing keywords on the current site I'm busy with but the keywords do NOT show at all for the Top of Store page. I think we should flag this up with Actinic for them to look deeper into as it may have some influence on SEO.

Hi there

This is a known bug in Actinic, and one that has been reported. To remedy it:

1. Go to 'Design | Library | Conditions' and expand the 'Section' group
2. Right-click and select 'New Condition'
3. Give it a 'Name' and a 'Prompt' of 'IsStoreFrontPage'
4. For the condition, use the followiing:
   

   <actinic:variable name="PageType" /> == "Section" AND <actinic:variable name="SectionLevel" /> == 0

5. Click 'OK' and close the Library.
6. Now edit the overall layout being used by your store pages (not brochure pages) and locate the green block tag that goes around the <meta> tag containing 'GlbMetaKeywords'
7. Change the condition to:
   

   ((<actinic:variable name="PageType" /> != "Section") OR <actinic:variable name="IsStoreFrontPage" />) AND (<actinic:variable name="GlbMetaKeywords" /> != "")

8. I'd also suggest doing the same for the <meta> tag containing GlbMetaDescription

Inheriting keywords seems to be the default for 8.0.4 new sites
Hmmm - I can see why they think it may be a good idea but they have completely screwed up the whole thing now . They need to put it back to how it was

I'm afraid to say we haven't changed this at all in v8's lifetime. It always has been set to 'Yes' for new sites - and upgraded sites should have the same setting as they did in v7 - if not, that is a bug.

Im getting context errors on all Ver 04 sites now Why have they been playing with things that dont need changing????

I am getting an error message saying that the meta keywords and description are used out of context

What variable are you getting a context error with? When you double-click on the error, what code is highlighted.

The solution above might well fix your coding errors for you.

[RuralWeb]

This is a known bug in Actinic

If it is Ive missed it or forgotten it - it may have been when I reported the double meta tags for DW registered designs?.

I dont think that the fix you give is really good enough chris - it should be fixed on the next patch and work the way V7 does/did. IMO meta tags are going to become important again and so its important that they work correctly out of the box.

[Adrian Higgins]

I'm sorry Chris I also have to agree with Malcom. - I had joys of waiting two weeks for this problem to be solved, Technical support said it was my computer! - can we please try and resolve this one.

Thanks

[cdicken]

I dont think that the fix you give is really good enough chris - it should be fixed on the next patch and work the way V7 does/did. IMO meta tags are going to become important again and so its important that they work correctly out of the box.

I've just done some testing with v7

I selected the 'Include Parent Meta..' box in Design Options and then entered the word 'SectionPage' as the keywords for a top level section, and then entered 'ASubSectionPage' as the meta keywords for a sub-section within that top-level section. The resultant keywords on the sub-section page were:

<META NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="ASubSectionPage,SectionPage">

i.e. in alphabetical order.

So I can confirm that v8 is working identically to v7 with regards to meta keywords with the exception that:

1. 'Include Parent Meta Content In Each Section' is set to 'True' by default in new sites. I will report a bug for this.
2. There is a known bug where the keywords entered in the green online catalogue icon (front page) don't appear on the front page. The workaround I gave you fixes this.

[RuralWeb]

selected the 'Include Parent Meta..' box in Design Options and then entered the word 'SectionPage' as the keywords for a top level section, and then entered 'ASubSectionPage' as the meta keywords for a sub-section within that top-level sectio

No Im not doing any of that. The problem is missing tags from some pages where the keywords are entered into the fields manually.

[cdicken]

Hi Malcolm, I'm aware of the issue on the front store page with the keywords not appearing. I am unclear from your previous posts which other pages have got missing keywords.

[RuralWeb]

which other pages have got missing keywords

There does not seem to be any pattern to it online but I have noticed that although you can see the tag coding within the design pane in V8 when you preview the page and look at the source code the tags are missing - is it related??

[RuralWeb]

The errors I am getting are:

error in condition (Variable MetaDescription is used out of context)

error in condition (variable MetaKeyword is used out of context)

[cdicken]

Hi Malcolm

I'm wondering if you are experiencing a specific HTML problem rather than a general Actinic problem.

Can I suggest you create the 'IsStoreFrontPage' condition as described above and then replace ALL the meta keyword and meta description tags on your store overall layout with the following code:

   <actinic:block if="%28%28%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22PageType%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22Section%22%29%20OR%20%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22IsStoreFrontPage%22%20%2f%3e%29%20AND%20%28%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22GlbMetaKeywords%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22%22%29" >
	   <meta name="keywords" content="<actinic:variable name="GlbMetaKeywords" />" />
   </actinic:block>
   <actinic:block if="%28%28%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22PageType%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22Section%22%29%20OR%20%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22IsStoreFrontPage%22%20%2f%3e%29%20AND%20%28%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22GlbMetaDescription%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22%22%29" >
	   <meta name="description" content="<actinic:variable name="GlbMetaDescription" />" />
   </actinic:block>
   <actinic:block if="%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22PageType%22%20%2f%3e%20%3d%3d%20%22Section%22" >
	   <actinic:block if="%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22MetaKeywords%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22%22" >
		   <meta name="keywords" content="<actinic:variable name="MetaKeywords" />" />
	   </actinic:block>
   </actinic:block>
   <actinic:block if="%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22PageType%22%20%2f%3e%20%3d%3d%20%22Section%22" >
      <actinic:block if="%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22MetaDescription%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22%22">
	      <meta name="description" content="<actinic:variable name="MetaDescription" />" />
      </actinic:block>
   </actinic:block>

Then replace the meta keyword and description code on your brochure overall layouts with the following...

   <actinic:block if="%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22MetaKeywords%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22%22" >
	   <meta name="keywords" content="<actinic:variable name="MetaKeywords" />" />
   </actinic:block>
   <actinic:block if="%3cactinic%3avariable%20name%3d%22MetaDescription%22%20%2f%3e%20%21%3d%20%22%22">
	   <meta name="description" content="<actinic:variable name="MetaDescription" />" />
   </actinic:block>

[Adrian Higgins]

Hi with the above fixes I now have no problems with Alphabetical keywords. Howver I seem to be having extreme problems with getting keywords to appear on the home index page.

I have followed the procedure for making the condition, I then double click the block tag and then insert the code, however I basicaly end up with no keywords or description throughout the whole site!

As a fairly new comer to Actinic, but not the web, I feel the only place I must be going wrong is selecting the overall layout being used by the store pages and not the brochure pages. How do you differentiate selecting one or the other? and hows every one else got on?

cheers

[RuralWeb]

Hi with the above fixes I now have no problems

i am NOT implementing the fix as chris describes as I believe the problem is to do with version 04 . Most sites are sowing the same problem since i upgraded and other on the forum have the same problem (no keywords on certain pages) which only showed after 04 was issued

[Adrian Higgins]

Cheers Malcom.

So Chris.. so please can we have some more help.

[cdicken]

Hi chaps

I've just spent the last 20 minutes testing my solution, and I can confirm that it fixes any issues with meta keywords, making v8 work identically to v7.

Adrian - sorry that the solution did not work for you. Just to confirm the way that meta keywords and descriptions work:

• The meta keywords and description you enter on the green 'online catalog' icon in the content tree will appear on the catalog home page (after applying the fix I suggest), and all non-section pages within the store such as search, checkout, cart etc. The words won't appear on brochure pages or any section pages.
• The keywords and description you enter into any brochure page or section page will only be used for that page. The exception to this is if 'Include parent meta content in each section' (in 'Settings | Site Options | Links') is set to 'True'. Then any keywords you add into a parent section will be added to the list in the child section. This combined list will display the list of keywords in alphabetical order.

Malcolm - I don't know why you are experiencing this problem with 8.0.4, but there have been no changes in this area between 8.0.3 and 8.0.4. It sounds like a specific upgrade issue you need to take up with support. Alternatively, please apply my fix.