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**Faulkds** · 31-Oct-2005, 09:05 PM

Hi,

I think your probably right....

Then again who knows with Se's....

Its a lottery....

However, it maybe a number of factors, time of year, google etc.

it is a bit strange to go from 900 hits a day to 300 in a week....

**wjcampbe** · 31-Oct-2005, 10:15 PM

Have a detailed look at your stats - is it all google visitors that have disappeared, or is it across the board?

Are you using the same stats package? Has a filter been set and not removed?

Were spider visits previously being logged as visits and are they now being logged as non-visits?

Once you have confirmed that you really have lost two thirds of genuine human visitors and which engines/other referrers they were coming from, then you need to look at what changed on your site.

If they were all google visitors, then you'll have to wait out the changes in progress and see where you end up. If you permanently lose position, then you have to ask, what is it on my site that google does not like. It will be something that is there, not something that is not there.

May also be worth finding out just what the SE who thinks escaped html will lose you visitors did in the recent (two months) past.

**Mike Hughes** · 01-Nov-2005, 09:38 AM

A decent stats package will also show what keywords were used when visitors came to your site. By comparing a similar 'busy' period with a 'quiet' one you should be able to see whether the drop has been across the board or only for a specific keyword search.

It's then a case of seeing where you are now for the problem keywords and trying to see what might have happended and how you can turn it around.

Mike

**Faulkds** · 03-Nov-2005, 10:28 AM

Please can a actinic developer look into this.

Please run your programs to view the source code and see why the sites title page, description and keywords arnt being seen by search engines.

I have worked on this site for three years and use a marketing company to promote it. I understand what people in the forum are saying but there is a real issue with the site.

**wjcampbe** · 03-Nov-2005, 10:49 AM

http://www.webmaster-toolkit.com/web...ase=motorcycle

This prog sees your metas.

**jont** · 03-Nov-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Faulkds

see why the sites title page, description and keywords arnt being seen by search engines.

How do you know this?

**Faulkds** · 03-Nov-2005, 04:26 PM

This is what my developer has come up with....

The spider is not able to re-coganise the body tag.

Reason

Actinic:TEMPLATE type="begin" filename="C:\Program Files\Actinic Ecommerce
v6\Sites\Site1\Act_BrochurePrimary.html"/

This line was inserted in the body tag when the file was saved.

Since there is no <body> tag (As per the spider) it decides that all the meta
are placed inside the <body> tag.

and gives an error output.

^Error: <meta> tag NOT allowed in <body>...</body> element

**wjcampbe** · 03-Nov-2005, 11:00 PM

Darren, the guy is talking through his a-us. Here is the source viewed on your site home page

Code:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE> 4-Motorcycles - Motorcycle Accessories Parts Security</TITLE>
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="ALL">
<Actinic:BASEHREF VALUE="http://www.4-motorcycles.co.uk/" FORCED=1/>
<META NAME="ACTINICTITLE" CONTENT="NETQUOTEVAR:PAGEHEADER">
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> 
<META NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="4-Motorcycles - Motorcycle Accessories Parts Security"><META NAME="Description" CONTENT="4-Motorcycles - Motorcycle Accessories Parts Security">
<META NAME="ActinicKey" CONTENT="3eff6880e3f6467f12bd88606a10db990">
<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="accxecom4">
<!LINK REL=STYLESHEET HREF="acatalog/actinic.css">
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="acatalog/actiniccore.js" TYPE="text/javascript"></SCRIPT>
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="acatalog/actinicextras.js" TYPE="text/javascript"></SCRIPT>
<Actinic:COOKIECHECK/>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="acatalog/4moto.css" type="text/css">
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="acatalog/4moto.js" TYPE="text/javascript"></SCRIPT>
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR=#AEAEAE LEFTMARGIN=0 TOPMARGIN=0 MARGINWIDTH=0 MARGINHEIGHT=0 onLoad="MM_preloadImages

See the "NETQUOTEVAR:PAGRHEADER" near the top - that tells me that within Actinic, when you highlight the very top item in the left hand 'tree' the name box in the grey area on the left is empty.

See the <BODY tag near the end of the quoted text?

Is this guy who is telling all the c--p about META tags and invisible bodies the same one who told you to put in that ROBOTS meta? I just hope he is not charging you money for any of this grief he is needlessly causing you.

**Faulkds** · 04-Nov-2005, 05:27 PM

This is whats preventing the meta tags and keyword descriptions being viewing by the spider and googlebot....

<Actinic:BASEHREF VALUE="http://www.4-motorcycles.co.uk/" FORCED=1/>

Remove this bit of code and everything can be seen

**Mike Hughes** · 04-Nov-2005, 07:15 PM

If you're worried about, move the basehref statement to after the keywords and description meta tags. That's what I have by default and don't experience any problems with google reading my meta tags.

Mike

**Faulkds** · 05-Nov-2005, 10:05 AM

I've removed bit and bobs and juggled a few things around.

The googlebot simulators can now see the code....

Now whether you agree with what I've done time will tell......

Thanks for all your help

page one listings here I come :-)

**Faulkds** · 09-Nov-2005, 03:13 PM

For those of you that are followijng this, since dropping certain bits of actinic reference code out of my pages my traffic has increased from 300 hits to 540 hits in 4 days.

**Dek** · 13-Nov-2005, 11:55 PM

hits and keyphrases

I have just read quickly through previous posts, my initial thoughts on this are;

It is not the number of hits you should be looking at, stats contain so much more info as mentioned earlier about keywords and ROI.

If you were getting 900 hits, are they real visits or are they hits?

More importantly, are you still getting the sales?

A final point and by far my biggest point on this topic, who came up with the keyphrase "tools" ?
This is much too broad a search term and a total waste of page optimisation. Promotion and optimisation is about getting targetted quality traffic through your site and a very general word like "tools" is not the way to go about it.

This page should be more targetted for something like "motorcycle tools" or "tool cabinet", since "tools" is your first word of the <title> it is the most important and it is being wasted.

Did your SEO company do this page for you?

**Dek** · 14-Nov-2005, 12:04 AM

alt tags

after a little more inspection, I see you have many empty alt="" tags.

Did I misunderstand the previous postings on this, I thought you paid someone to do your promoting online?

You are missing out on valuable opportunities to score with search engines by not using the alt tags.

The meta data is NOT used by Google for keywords etc...

The robots file should very rarely be used, all this nonsense about noindex and follow and revisit are a waste of time. A spider will follow every page and every link it sees by default, all you are doing by adding robots files in is adding complications or dissallowing certain areas or files.

**Faulkds** · 14-Nov-2005, 05:40 PM

Hi Derek,

I understand what you are saying about the keywords and Alt tag, I will look at these.

However, I would disagree with meta tags arn't used by Google. - The 900 hits are unique hits.

I think Google is looking for the following.

Relevant Keywords and content.

Clean Design, i.e no frames

Relevant Titles in your page

Sitemap

2 way Linking

Image Mapping

Announcement

Keywords and Descriptions

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